today dream car alpina e24

"Frank Grimes" (FrankGrimes) 01/18/2016 at 14:55 • Filed to: None

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alpina rep with LS swap

Party-vi > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 14:59

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But if it has an LS swap, is it still an Alpina rep?

Frank Grimes > Party-vi 01/18/2016 at 15:01

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to be honest I just want the stickers and the wheels and air dam and other bits. I dont care what its called also the 11 sec quarter miles.

duurtlang > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 15:02

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with LS swap

TheHondaBro > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 15:17

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I don’t like it when my Bimmers aren’t in full resolution.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 15:52

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And people wonder why some of us don’t really appreciate the ubiquitous chevy small block swapped into anything and everything.

People decry the reliability of wankels in RX7s, and tout the reliability of SBCs in their place... but what grounds are there against a BMW Inline-6?

If you can’t afford to maintain or rebuild a BMW Inline-6, you really can’t afford to maintain the rest of a BMW E24 6-series, let alone a rarer Alpina with custom parts.

BarryDanger > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 15:54

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I need those wheels for my Bavaria... le sigh

this is not matt farah's foxbodymiata > TheHondaBro 01/18/2016 at 16:02

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But it's simplified. And a few electrons lighter!

Vítor > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 16:18

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I’m sorry but I see no point in LS swapping any non-Chevrolet car. The engine is for me 90% of the car soul, and you want to complete change that, in a already very rare and perfectly balanced car.

I see some sense in some swaps, like a electric drivetrain in a classic DS instead of that dreadful diesel, or that ICON VW Bus, but replace a damn fine engine like the BMW I6, especially one tuned by Alpine, for me is a big downgrade.

You have damn fine taste in cars, the E24 is very handsome coupe, but if you really want to do a LS-swap, go for a more mainstream one, like a 628 CSi and fit the Alpina wheels/bodykit/stickers, not a classic like a original Alpina B10.

I must say that everything said above doesn’t matter for me if the car is very damaged or unsavable.

RallyWrench > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 16:18

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So sexy. That green one is perfection. I had a line on a ‘77 Alpina 630 in the PNW some years back, I was told it was sitting in a barn (no kidding) with a locked up differential. That lead dried up, but I dreamed about it a lot.

Vítor > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 01/18/2016 at 16:20

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I will never understand why people want a car famous for the rotatory engine itself and swap it for a LS.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Vítor 01/18/2016 at 16:23

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People who want to replace a rotary haven’t experienced a good rotary. “Hey, let’s rip out the engine this chassis is designed around and replace it for something heavier with half the character."

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Vítor 01/18/2016 at 16:25

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Having driven a few LS powered vehicles, I don’t get the hype. Sure they make a decent amount of power out of a smallish package, but they just don’t have the character of most of the engines they replace.

Vítor > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/18/2016 at 16:26

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For me 90% of the LS swaps people do downgrades the car. Classic Jaguars and Mazdas are the biggest victims.

Vítor > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/18/2016 at 16:34

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Sure they are more efficient than the original engine, and for sure are more reliable, but I guess I am too old for my age, because I don’t see much fun in big amounts of power, and I’m also a sadistic because the LS swap is a easy solution. I just prefer to improve the efficienty and reliability of the original engine to keep as much as possible the original character of the car, and if I would do a swap, at least I would replace for one of the same brand.

DrScientist > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 17:32

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did the alpinas have an auto like most most of their other conversions? i feel the e24 will always be better off with the MT.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Vítor 01/18/2016 at 19:48

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Nor do I, yet they do often.

I always wonder why they don’t buy corvettes in the first place... then I wonder what a 20B turbo would be like in a gorgeous early C3 corvette, because Aerovette and other projects tried wankel rotaries back then...

Frank Grimes > Vítor 01/18/2016 at 20:49

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The LS is very compact for its power. Very cheap to mod and initial costs makes way more power than the stock 215hp 635csi has lots of transmission options that bolt right up. Simple as heck to swap in to lots of cars. I understand wanting to have the charm of the original I6 but 215hp is pathetic if there were some cheap compact BMW 6 cylinder that would provide at least 350hp without forced induction I might go that route.

My idea is to replicate the Alpina looks on a cheap broken down E24 and restore it on a budget.

Frank Grimes > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 01/18/2016 at 20:49

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What do you mean by character? It has V8 character.

Frank Grimes > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 01/18/2016 at 20:51

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power. the 635csi had 215hp in a 3500lb car. Is slow character?

Frank Grimes > Vítor 01/18/2016 at 20:51

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apex seals? poor fuel and oil consumption?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 21:08

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Which is an incredibly dull and boring character compared to a good straight six. They just have power, that’s what they have going for them. They sound decent, but compared to a good straight 6, they sound like trash. I guess maybe living in small town USA has ruined the sound of the LS motor, since every body and their brother cousin straight pipes their Z71, but to me it sounds meh. Especially below 6.0L.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 21:10

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If you know what you are doing, you can rebuild a rotary cheaper and quicker than an LS. They aren’t that complex. Actually, they aren’t complex at all. It’s certainly cheaper than swapping in a heavier engine. Plus, your fuel economy isn’t going to improve by much at all, especially if you keep the factory gear ratio.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Frank Grimes 01/18/2016 at 22:59

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And a new-for-’83 Camaro Z28 with the 305 High-Output V8 had all of 190 horsepower, and in full dress weighed ~3400.

That was considered hot for the day.

Also, you aren’t counting the M 635CSi... which had 282hp, and was introduced in ‘83 also. An Alpina B6 could be based on either one.

Frank Grimes > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 01/19/2016 at 01:21

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K there are how many M6 made? The Ls motor can make 500hp very easily.
The camaro is crap with that 305. which is not a 305 and shares nothing with the LS. add 100lbs and 25 hp to the camaro and it would still suck like the 635csi.

Vítor > Frank Grimes 01/19/2016 at 07:35

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215 hp is more than enough for this cars. The M635i has 286 hp, and if you want power and a modern engine, the N52 from the 130i is NA

Vítor > Frank Grimes 01/19/2016 at 07:54

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You should know the downsides of the rotatory which, as I said, is the main reason why the RX7 is famous, before buying one. If you want a V8, get a Corvette or a Jaguar. It’s the same thing as getting a brand new Corvette, and swapping the V8 for the V6TT from the GTR since the Japanese engine is more efficient and tunable. It just doesn't make sense (for me, remember it's my opinion). If I want a V8, I will get a Corvette. If I want a I6, I will get a M3 and if I want a V6 I will get a GTR, simple as that.

Frank Grimes > Vítor 01/19/2016 at 22:36

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pretty sure the corvette is much more efficient than a GTR.